09 - Shattered

[Dr K Harris]

It was a damn good episode... I think it will be Charlie trying to explain to Alex how he knew where Maggie was and then all 3 talking together... I hope anyway...

I knew what was coming and still bloody jumped when it happened... so well shot by the director.

Kriss

[priggy]

Nov 27, 2015 8:55:08 GMT ZionHarris said:

Very intense episode, easy to see why they pushed it back.

Whole cast did such a great job.. glad to have Dawn back, she had some really good scenes. I'm glad she wants to report Lane, hope she goes through with that. And the actor who plays Lane is doing a great job upping the creep factor, hope he gets what's coming to him.

Like Bishop so far, just hope they don't start another love triangle. He and Alex worked well together and tackled a pretty tough subject.

Not liking Kristine or her friend Cora much at the moment. I know they want to find out more about their ability but Kristine had no right to tell anyone about Charlie and I'm glad he told her that. No idea what to make of that flashback. Charlie caused Alex to have flashes when they made contact, so I don't know if it's being implied that Charlie and Kristine have a special connection or what. Maybe contact between people who've had NDEs causes them, or maybe it's just Charlie that's the link. But it seemed like Kristine saw that flash too...Charlie never saw what Alex did when they touched. Very confused!

And Maggie...I think she'll be okay but all sorts of possibilities for next week. Will Maggie remember anything if she wakes up? The fact that she had a head injury makes anything possible. Will it be any harder for Charlie to hide the fact he's talking to a doctor's ghost? He was raving like mad when it was Alex in jeopardy.

Back when we saw the description for the Season 2 finale, it said a doctor was attacked and their life was in danger. I pictured it was going to be Charlie who saw their spirit and alerted everyone to their situation. Looks like that's going to happen next week. At least it's only a one week wait this time!

Agree that the whole cast did well & Lane is just creeptacular. I wonder if realises what he did was wrong. You see so many guys claiming what they did wasn't rape, I wonder if that's what Lane will do.

Bishop did say that guys are only friends with those they find attractive, but I was thinking last week that something might happen between Bishop & Cassie with the whole bug bite thing.

I wonder if Charlie saw the flash, he told Kristine he saw nothing but I think its just that he didn't want to tell her, because he knew it was him on his wedding day, taxi crashing and what caused him to see ghosts.

No idea what will happen with Maggie & Charlie. Only 3 people know where she is, Cassie, Dev and Bishop & 2 of them are in surgery. Maggie doesn't remember anything in ghosty-form.

[ZionHarris]

I think Charlie and Kristine saw the same thing. She had no idea what it was because it was all Charlie's memories so she wants him to explain it to her. I really don't think he wanted to at the time, the whole thing was a surprise to him. He said he saw nothing but pretty sure that's not the case.

When Alex would have those flashes it was only her that could see them. Charlie would always ask what happened or 'where'd you go?'

Definitely thinking the same thing about Bishop and Cassie, they might hook up. Also seeing something brewing between Dawn and Zack.

The first part of the next episode will be interesting if, like you said, Charlie has to go looking for Maggie or tell people she's in trouble.

[priggy]

Just re-watching. Cora says that Charlie is keeping an open-mind by closing his mind. I don't think that's the case. Charlie is just being a good Doctor/scientist and questioning things whereas it seems to me that Cora has a closed mind accepting any old fairytale that comes across her.

[ZionHarris]

Also, I don't really think she's right about the positive or negative approach. Yes, Charlie should see the positive side of this, but that doesn't mean he still wouldn't have to deal with spirits like Crenshaw.

[veredgf]

I didn't think Cora had bad intentions. I actually believe she was trying to warn Charlie that not all ghosts are good and that he can be harmed - and that goes along with the line the producers of the show were planning for this season, i.e., that it will be a bit darker and show us the other side of the ghosts and we have been seeing this through this season already.

Cora was injured by a ghost and because Charlie was so uptight about the meeting (he had good reasons), we didn't really get closure here - i.e., what happened to Cora? How did she become a ghost "see-er"? What did the flashback mean?

Charlie was being defensive because Kristine violated his privacy and this basically prevented him from opening up and listening to Cora, and it didn't help that Cora's personality was somewhat annoying - she was aggressive, IMO, pushy, very assertive, seemed like a strong person who has strong opinions and has gone through some experience that has shaped her.

So they have to get back to this, most definitely.

Re the flashback - another interesting new angle - i.e., people with these abilities can possibly touch other such people and capture the experience that made them able to see ghosts - what I believed I saw was a mixture of Charlie's experience and Kristine's experience. It might be a good thing to go through that flashback scene slowly and see exactly what they showed there.

That's about all.

[Dr K Harris]

Did anyone else notice there were bits in the flashback that have not happened yet or were not used in the Alex flashbacks she had...


Kriss

[priggy]

Dec 2, 2015 10:18:55 GMT veredgf said:

I didn't think Cora had bad intentions. I actually believe she was trying to warn Charlie that not all ghosts are good and that he can be harmed - and that goes along with the line the producers of the show were planning for this season, i.e., that it will be a bit darker and show us the other side of the ghosts and we have been seeing this through this season already.

Cora was injured by a ghost and because Charlie was so uptight about the meeting (he had good reasons), we didn't really get closure here - i.e., what happened to Cora? How did she become a ghost "see-er"? What did the flashback mean?

Charlie was being defensive because Kristine violated his privacy and this basically prevented him from opening up and listening to Cora, and it didn't help that Cora's personality was somewhat annoying - she was aggressive, IMO, pushy, very assertive, seemed like a strong person who has strong opinions and has gone through some experience that has shaped her.

So they have to get back to this, most definitely.

Re the flashback - another interesting new angle - i.e., people with these abilities can possibly touch other such people and capture the experience that made them able to see ghosts - what I believed I saw was a mixture of Charlie's experience and Kristine's experience. It might be a good thing to go through that flashback scene slowly and see exactly what they showed there.

That's about all.

Of course Cora didn't have bad intentions, she believes in what she's selling. But the thing is, these people are pseudoscientists and their beliefs can take them into morally bad areas and scenarios where they blame the victim and can't actually see reality for what it is and so bad things happen. 

I rewatched the flashback and its just Charlie's experience, but there is a scene where he's walking into the ocean in his tux with Alex & Luke watching on & a scene of him in imaging which I don't think we've seen yet.

So, I think the writers are taking us to a place where Charlie will get it into his head that he has to wear the tux and walk into the ocean to maybe try and commit suicide but be brought back.

[veredgf]

Dec 2, 2015 12:20:50 GMT priggy said:

Dec 2, 2015 10:18:55 GMT veredgf said:

Of course Cora didn't have bad intentions, she believes in what she's selling. But the thing is, these people are pseudoscientists and their beliefs can take them into morally bad areas and scenarios where they blame the victim and can't actually see reality for what it is and so bad things happen.

I need to re-watch - did Cora say she was a scientist? I just assumed she was a person with a similar experience and that she wanted to share so she could help - definitely need to re-watch because there is a lot of info there.

When you say "Their beliefs" - what do you mean? Is Cora only negative about the ghosts or is she just trying to point out that alongside the good stuff there is also bad?

I rewatched the flashback and its just Charlie's experience, but there is a scene where he's walking into the ocean in his tux with Alex & Luke watching on & a scene of him in imaging which I don't think we've seen yet.

So, I think the writers are taking us to a place where Charlie will get it into his head that he has to wear the tux and walk into the ocean to maybe try and commit suicide but be brought back.


Thanks for pointing this out. It all sounds very interesting - almost like some form of premonition. Definitely makes me look forward to the next episodes :-)

[priggy]

Dec 2, 2015 13:55:42 GMT veredgf said:

Dec 2, 2015 12:20:50 GMT priggy said:

Of course Cora didn't have bad intentions, she believes in what she's selling. But the thing is, these people are pseudoscientists and their beliefs can take them into morally bad areas and scenarios where they blame the victim and can't actually see reality for what it is and so bad things happen.

I need to re-watch - did Cora say she was a scientist? I just assumed she was a person with a similar experience and that she wanted to share so she could help - definitely need to re-watch because there is a lot of info there.

When you say "Their beliefs" - what do you mean? Is Cora only negative about the ghosts or is she just trying to point out that alongside the good stuff there is also bad?

I rewatched the flashback and its just Charlie's experience, but there is a scene where he's walking into the ocean in his tux with Alex & Luke watching on & a scene of him in imaging which I don't think we've seen yet.

So, I think the writers are taking us to a place where Charlie will get it into his head that he has to wear the tux and walk into the ocean to maybe try and commit suicide but be brought back.


Thanks for pointing this out. It all sounds very interesting - almost like some form of premonition. Definitely makes me look forward to the next episodes :-)

Cora never said she was a scientist, but she was introduced as a Doctor & she was heading over to a medical conference. Medicine is a science so yes, I would call her & other Doctors scientists.

I know a lot of New Age-y people who promote and sell this idea of Law of Attraction. (its total BS & not based on actual science but pseudoscience but I know of someone with a science degree who is actively promoting it). The idea is that if you think positively then you attract good things. If you think negatively or in other words critically, bad things will happen to you.

To me, Cora is one of these people, my interpretation and Charlie's interpretation was the same when Cora said, "not all ghosts are benign, there are some that are attracted to our negative energy." Therefore the idea is the same as law of attraction, if Charlie is in a bad place or is thinking negatively or critically then he will attract bad ghosts who want to do him harm. 

Total BS, the ghosts aren't in charge of which hospital they are brought to. Most of the people aren't in control when they go into the liminal state/die. Therefore how they could be attracted to Charlie, no idea. Its not based in any kind of reality.

Really interested in where they go with this though.